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FTD To Replace Second CD Of Fool
Due to a manufacturing error, the FTD team Ernst Jorgenson/Roger Semon has been advised that there is track duplication on ELVIS (The Fool) Disc 2. It is their intention to issue replacement discs asap.
Another FTD. Another mistake. This one so "big" they'll replace disc 2. Mistakes like this are why I never preorder FTDS.
By the time I get around to buying, the mistake will have been corrected and I won't to go through the hassle of returning anything.
Hi Jay, so glad, that finally someone mentioned, what was bothering me the last week. I was really enthusiastic about some new ’Fool‘ remixes, but when I listened to it, I couldn’t hear any difference between Track 1 and 14. Track 14 is identically to the version on FTD’s ’Standing room only‘ release, Elvis‘ voice is a little bit more lefthanded, but it’s exactly the same mix and both tracks run exactly the same time: 2:45. I guess, there has been made some mistake here. Joan Deary’s version on the silver box (it’s 2:39) and some acetate bootleg version (3:06) feature the string section right from the beginning. I don’t know, if Mr. Jorgensen was aiming in this direction, to present a full string version, but I’m pretty sure, he planned something new. So I guess, we are missing some outstanding new remix here. I hope there will be an official statement soon, and I think, both CDs should be replaced with the correct versions.
Sorry I should have put 2:45 and 2:49.
Ok, this has been bugging the hell outta me.....I'm pretty confident now that both Fool (Master) and Fool alternate mix are exactly the same version. In the book it has the master down at 2:35 and the alternate at 2:39. Now upon investigation on the cd both tracks are at 2:35! I had a look at the Silver box set cd which has that version (which does sound like an alternate mix) down at 2:39! I'm far more gutted about this mistake then I am the Padre one. Please correct this cd instead?
I just checked and the guitar on LMLTLIL Take 4 is actually not removed on this new release, but it's simply on the right channel now compared to being on the left channel on the mix of this take on "I Sing All Kinds", so let's not start a new myth here of the "missing guitar". For me this new mix is overall a lot more enjoyable, it's a lot clearer with more dynamics and less compression, you hear a lot more detail and you hear a lot more Elvis!
Im not trying to knock the errors on the release at all, mistakes happen. But can someone tell me the difference between Fool (master) and the alternate mix? I really hear no difference? I can on the single mix with the strings entering earlier and more up front. I'm assuming the mix used on the Elvis Aron Presley: the Silver Box was the alternate mix? Which sounds very different to me.
I would be interested to hear the complete studio recordings (of this and other sessions) nwithout any 'mastering' whatsoever. Just exactly the way it was recorded, no remixing, no editing, no mastering, no nothing. Just as it happened, live in the studio. It might not have the best possible sound quality but it would be really interesting to hear. Then we would know if the removed James guitar in this CD (Fool) or they added (amplified?) it in the previous (I Sing All Kinds)...
Thanks for this info jean michel ! Good listening from your part ! Wonder why they removed James' guitar !!!??? Always El.
Have you also noticed that take 4 of 'Love Me Love The Life I Lead' we hear in the "I Sing All Kinds" cd features James Burton on his guitar ; on the "Fool" cd , James has been removed from the mix of that same take.
Hi blackdiamond. See the posting of JeanMichel, oct.18th .( 3th posting on this subject). Always El.
I've listened to disc 2 of FTD Fool also, but I can't hear an error. Which song has an error?
Yes, absolutely right, friends. Ernst, this is our man and will be with us, Elvis fans, some years more! And one thing more! Boston FTD sound's slightly superior to excellent release from Madison label. I don't understand certain comments but both of them, Fool and Boston 71 are really outstanding. And Lene Reidel works are more and more good each release. One last thing that I remember now: Fool FTD for me is vastly superior to otherwise great japanese k2 cd releases, much more clearer and natural. The japanese team not worked with first generation tapes, this is the thing IMO.
In some private e-mails, I've heard that several dealers on both sides of the pond will be sending the replacement disc with the customer's next FTD purchase. In other words, if the new pressings are done by the time JR2 comes out, then your dealer will mail the replacement disc along with that package at no cost. As we know it takes a big man to admit he's wrong, Ernst has done that and is willing to make amends - he's still got my respect for that. I don't think the issue is worth all the witch-hunting that seems to have occurred here.
No problem, these things happens sometimes. We get a new disc and we use the old one for in the car !
Making mistakes is human . There is no reason why Ernst should be replaced.(and who would be capable of replacing him ?) Have to agree though that a better control should be done before release, but what happened here is not the end of the world. I'm thankfull for all the good releases we had in the past thanks to Ernst and Co. Without them : no alternate takes, no soundboards, no studio banter no nice gems at all. So : thanks !!! I won't have to pay one single cent, be it Euro or US Dollar, for the replacement disc. I'll pick it up at my regular dealer on my first (regular) visit to the Elvis-shop he runs . So why should I complain ? All in all FTD ( Ernst and Co again) gave us some marvelous releases . Remember : nobody's perfect, so we have to take the good with the less good. I'm writing " less good " on purpose, because "bad" is untill now not in my dictionary. Always El.
Why my post was deleted? *Loes: you've got mail Geert*
FTD does a marvelous job and they pays the musicians and composers royalites too, wich is only justice. So High had a glitch and they rereleased the cd corrected. So they will deliver the corrected disc 2 I'm sure. I also welcome the opinion of elvistruth about the sound qualities of FTD. The Classic series is High Class and I was tired of reading some fans always criticizing the sound on FTD. Some pretending only the Japanese releases were top notch. That was maybe a long time ago, not anymore. I have a Nad system and as far I heard, FTD has improved over the years. And now The Complete Elvis will surely find some fans complaining about the sound again. Like the man said "It never ceases to amaze me... (68 Comeback). We're lucky to have Ernst and Roger in our camp. Let them complete the Classic series and others.
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I have a very expensive hifi equipment and all I can say it's that FTD sound each release has better and better sound. Absolutely GREAT very near to analogue sound in digital format. No crisp, no metallic, GREAT!!!! My system have a Pathos Logos amp., two Gamut L3 (yes,danish!) speakers, an Accupahse DP500 CD player, a Denon DCD-SA1 CD/SACD player, an Acoustic Signature Final Tool turntable with the legendary Koetsu Black Goldline cartridge and more great components as Akai reel-to-reel decks...and Elvis sounds absolutely great on cd, vinyl or original reel-to-reel tapes!!!! So keep on rocking Mr. Jorgensen, you're the best.
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I agree that better checking of the final product should be done. I am lucky not have ordered it yet! On the other hand, Jorgensen deserves all the praise. Just look at the cd's we got before he took over... There is room for improvement though and maybe it's time they started improving the quality of the final product a little bit. Elvis always wanted perfection, that's why we have so many good quality outtakes. Well we the fans also demand perfection... Ernest thanks for the effort so far and try to make sure that there is a bit more effort next time to eliminate these mistakes...
Ernst exactly knows that most fans don't want to pay the extra cost for the replacement disc,this is why he offer it:):):) What a shameful person and label. If you want to have the corrected version,you will have to pay extra money over the $35. They made the mistake,still you have to pay more for it. This is more than disgusting.
bravo well said elvistruth and Tony C i'm with you guys all the way
Thanks Jean Michel for pointing it out for me. I took a closer listen and you are perfectly right, it IS the same take! But I'm still adamant in sending it back and have it changed which will incur further expenses, unless my supplier is willing to send the correct disc without having to send the "defective" one. I never bothered to replace the Easter Special CD in spite of the more serious defect found on it. I have all respect for Ernst and maybe it is not his fault about this mistake but I still feel better checking of the finished product should be applied before the discs are pressed.
Well said, Elvistruth. I remember well the days before Ernst took over the reins of Elvis' catalogue at BMG.
Jorgensen's the GREATEST thing in the Elvis World of last 30 years! I read in another place that the trouble it's in the song "Padre". It seems that appear double-tracked. But with the free replacement all will be fine! Thanks again, Mr.Jorgensen for all these years!!!!!
"Padre" : on CD 2 we get takes 1 & 2 on track 4 and on track 11 we get the "previously unreleased take 11" which is in fact , a repeat of take 2 !
This is not a "manufactoring error",this is just another fault of good old lazy Jorgensen. There are smaller or bigger errors on every 2nd FTD release. I'm surprised that this time they are willing to offer replacement disc because they usually don't do it. Not even in case of the horrible Unchained Melody FTD,when at least 120 fans damned them on this site alone.
Now when it turned out that A Minnesota Moment is a faulty release,too,i wonder if they offer replacement copies,too?
Will someone please explain what's wrong with Disc 2? I have played it 2 or 3 times but I didn't notice anything unusual. Or perhaps I did not listen hard enough!
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