ElvisNews.com: Fool, Fool

Fool, Fool

There are two major mistakes on this release. Mistake No. 1 is already official: Track 11 on CD-2 is not take 11, but take 2 (track 4). A replacement for CD-2 will be delivered with the following new releases by the end of November. Mistake No. 2 is not official now. The alternate mix of 'Fool' (CD-1, track 14) has been replaced by the FTD Standing Room Only version of the song, which of course is the exactly same mix as track 1. Elvis voice is a little bit stronger on the left channel, but it's exactly the same mix. Both tracks run 2:45 min, the alternate mix was supposed to run 2:49. The key might be the string section. There is an acetate version of 'Fool' on bootleg, but there's also Joan Deary's version on the Silver Box. Both are featuring the strings right from the beginning. Since this is only speculation, the fact is: Track 1 and track 14 are the same.

Source: ElvisMatters / Updated: Oct 25, 2010

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Jesse Garon Presley (profile/ contact) wrote on Nov 12, 2010report abuse

just read on FECC forum that it is official now that there are no mistakes on disc 1 both trax of Fool are NOT the same officially confirmed by Ernst Jorgensen, so now we can say that the whole discussion about disc 1 and both fool version would appear to be the same can be laid to rest now

Michael Sander (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 31, 2010report abuse

Jay, thanks for putting my words right - it hasn’t been your fault. Thanks to Benny Scott too, buddy, so here’s my handshake and ‘no harm done‘! At the end we should all finish about this topic. I guess we said it all, the mistakes on both CDs are there, and still after all the discussions, there isn’t any comment from FTD. Guess we better behave: No more ugly comments about Mr. Jorgensen and his crew. It’s up to them, for make the changes. But there‘s always one last message: FTD, with all of your projects, you opened a complete new world for the fans. Why do you not change your quality into a dream come true! If we were you, we could!

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 29, 2010report abuse

If I did misunderstand I apologise. Its cus I copied the info from elvis matters on to the site before elvisnews so I guess the timing might have been pure bad luck.

benny scott (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 29, 2010report abuse

Hi Jay, I think there's a big misunderstanding from your part going on ! Michael was addressing ElvisNews with his posting saying "thanks for not making the changes...." Unfortunately his posting came right after yours, saying " what thing take 2, Any news ?....". So I'm sure you got confused, thinking Michael was addressing this reply to you. No way, I'm sure of it, because Loesje ( the wife of webmaster Lex ) sent Michael an answer saying " It looks like you did a great job yourself in correcting it ". Would be nice if : 1) Michael could confirm if what I thing is correct. 2) Jay could confirm he got confused and misunderstood . 3) Both of you should share a virtual handshake and say "OK, no harm done". Always El.

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 29, 2010report abuse

Plus it's not rocket science to see that it should say 'track 4 from disc 2', and not disc one. Simple type error I'm sure can be easily corrected.

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 29, 2010report abuse

Look Michael Sander, I do not work for Elvis news so I can't change the article! It is not my fault Elvis matters made ammistake either, so do not take ur frustrations out on me! I want the same as you with hopes for the corrections on the disc to be made. For the record i genuinely was confused as I didn't even notice the mistake on the article to no need for the sarcasm either. I have plenty of elvis knowledge thanks.

Loesje (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 29, 2010report abuse

Michael Sander: it looks like you did a great job yourself in correcting it.

Michael Sander (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 28, 2010report abuse

... for not making the changes and keep many fans confused. Elvis matters got it wrong, and you just copied it without any sense of knowledge. Will you correct it or not? Kinda getting tired here.

Michael Sander (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 28, 2010report abuse

Thanks!

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 28, 2010report abuse

What take 2 thing? I'm confused? Any news on a replacement disc1?

Michael Sander (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 28, 2010report abuse

Hi Elvisnews.com, appreciate that you quote my article, but pls do it the correct way, otherwise more people will be confused. These are my words:

There are two major mistakes on this release. Mistake No. 1 is already official: Track 11 on CD-2 is not take 11, but take 2 (track 4). Wow, sounds confusing, right? Maybe someone at FTD was confused, too. At least some replacement for CD-2 will be delivered.
Mistake No. 2 is not official now, hope there will be some statement soon:
The alternate mix of 'Fool' (CD-1, track 14) has been replaced by the FTD Standing room only version of the song, which of course is the exactly same mix as track 1. Elvis voice is a little bit stronger on the left channel, but it's exactly the same mix. Both tracks run 2:45 min, so someone definitively has made a mistake here, since the alternate mix was supposed to run 2:49.

There is no take 2 from CD-1 thing, ok? You can read my original comment on the Elvis in Norway site. There‘s the original, but I guess, you are just as sloppy as the people at FTD, so I can understand Mr. Jorgensen a little bit right now, and I admire him for not loosing his patience.

Steve V (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

OK Benny I get it now, thanks. Good point about the number of outtakes. I wonder if the artists I mentioned have ever had any of that stuff released. Maybe an alternate take here & there perhaps. I can only think of Elvis fans and perhaps Beatles fans being interested in all their outtakes. The Beatles Anthology cd set & dvd box was a nice set for their fans. Would still like a DVD set done like that on Elvis. Wishful thinking I guess.

benny scott (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Steve, I see what you mean ! You're right about the number of recording-years ( Bennett, Sinatra, a.s.o. ). Maybe I'm reasoning from my point of vieuw,being really interested in ALL the studio-outtakes, alternate takes , live-recordings ( I know, originally not meant for release ! ), Vegas and Tour recordings etc...etc... It has to do with the fact I was a pro-singer in my country and familiar with recording-studio's for many years . But I should have to take into account that not everybody is interested in , let's say, 30 or 40 takes of a certain song, and I fully can understand them ! So, once again, you're right if you consider the number of years some other artists were recording. I don't know though if all what was recorded (in the studio's or live ) by the singers you named , has been preserved or kept by their different labels. But I can imagine that very few people would be interested in a mountain of outtakes and/or alternate takes. But apperently it's the fact with Elvis'music, 'cause I know I'm far from being the only one to enjoye this special stuff . Hope you understand now what I meant with "vast musical legacy", but, indeed, from my point of view. No one has to agree with the way I see it , to each his own . Best regards . Always El.

Matt W (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Hangloose - you appear to have an axe to grind here. Tell me, are you affiliated with non- Sony produced Elvis product? The rampant jealousy in your silly posts is obvious to all. FTD is a blessing to all fans.

Harvey Alexander (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Yes, in a perfect world nobody would ever make mistakes. In a perfect world Elvis wouldn't have made 'Harum Scarum'. And in a perfect world so many of his 'fans' wouldn't be meatheads spouting ill-informed drivel. Take away the FTD label and our collections would be a whole lot poorer. Nothing in life is perfect, so learn to live with it. Yes, the mistakes get up my nose as well, but it isn't the end of the world.

Steve V (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Benny, not sure what you meant by vast musical legacy, but Elvis only recorded 20+ plus years. You may not like their music as much but there are plenty of singers male & female who left or will leave a larger musical legacy, Tony Bennett, 50+ years, Sinatra 40+ years, Elton 40 + years, Streisand, 40+ years. etc. f you meant vast meaning number of recordings, then these people have more. If you meant recording different styles of music, Elvis of course wins out. In any case, these folks were on much better record labels than RCA. RCA was probably the worst choice of label in the 50's for Elvis.

HangLoose (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Benny: I would be the happiest person if the FTD's were perfect and without any errors. But that's not the case, unfortunately. Far from it.

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

I believe the whole ftd team in general do a great job and I look forward to each and every classic release. The fool album is also a great release, correct the mistakes and it will be perfect!!

benny scott (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

HangLoose : can you name one male or female singer who left such a vast musical legacy ??? I can't. Not even one.
The chance of making mistakes handling all those recordings, soundboards, alternate takes, outtakes,etc... is 500 % -1000% higher than handling ( just a few examples) the music of MJ or The Beatles. Still waiting to read 1, just 1, positive posting from you . You're not he only one just capable of slamming everything that is released .I absolutely agree with Matt W. Always El.

HangLoose (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Instead of "classy label" i would rather say "clumsy label":) The worst label of all time. Can you name any other label who made so many mistakes in history? I can't. Not even one.

Matt W (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

FLY-TROUBLE! and HangLoose need to go away and play with some traffic, their comments are completely and utterly useless. With regards to Ernst and FTD - a classy label run by a real fan. Thank goodness!

thenexte (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse

Let's not get a few mistakes in the way of badmouthing this release. In my view the Fool FTD set is a great achievement, there has simply never been a better sounding digital version of this album from anybody. The masters now sound as close as humanly possible to the original album and anyone who thinks the Japan 20 bit CD sounds better is just fooling themselves (it doesn't even come close to the original album sound). Kudos to Vic Anesini and his team for pulling off another miracle with these recordings. Great to have what little is left of the 1971 outtakes from this material also, keep up the good work!

japio (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

Jesse.i don't say on every FTD. But there are more mistakes and not only on the FTD releases. But 2 o3 mistakes on one is too much. Ok the sound is great. Ofcourse i don't say Ernst have to. And when you'll release cd after cd ,then you'll gonna make mistakes. But when you'll make the testpressing then check it good.But Ernst do a good job. And he's not a real fan?. Thanks to him the tapes are survived and never heard a bad word about Elvis from him. He's done a good job.. There are enogh so-called fans that mis-used his name.But he has to wake up and try to make not these faults again.

Jesse Garon Presley (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

on every FTD there's a mistake? yeah right..no way, nothing wrong with the sound on this release either just great

japio (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

He made mistakes before. Listen for example to Roustabout on TT and F box and the version released on Collectors Gold. Same time same ending. And there are more. But the problem is they need help with all these releases in one year

Erika Freiburger (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

Got this FTD but i will sell it just like i sold "Boston Garden". I'm not impressed with the sound at all. The masters are sounding fine, but nothing more than that. They miss the brightness and a sharp edge in my opinion. I have the first 10 tracks elsewhere in much better sound. And the clumsy errors on CD1,CD2 are laughable. There's an error even in the booklet. This release is not for me.

FLY-TROUBLE! (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

How many errors this person has to made still before he will be dumped?

Zoltan84 (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

Anytime a new FTD pops up,there's almost always an error. How interesting that it only happens to FTD. At least such often. I don't have any faulty CD from any other artist. Not even one. From Elvis,i have at least 50 CD's with smaller or bigger errors. They make Elvis sound trashy. They caused a lot more harm to Elvis than any of the terrible inpersonators!

HangLoose (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

He never was and never will be a real Elvis Presley-fan. He's a bungler,nothing else.

dgirl (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

I believe Ernst is a fan and has given the fans what they want. Mistakes happen, It happened with RCA on records in the 50's. (remember Doncha Think Its Time on Gold Records Vol2?). I just dont think FTD has much left in the tank for myself personally. Not a fan of soundboards and not a fan of all these classic albums ( in some cases they are anything but classic to begin with) for 35.00. But this is what fans want so let him do his job. Someone mentioned he has to go because he is 60. Thats the most ridiculous thing I ever heard!

Elvis (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

Personnally, I don't understand. 1) For Padre it's track 11 on CD 2 and track 7 on CD 1 but it's not that I don't understand. For me the 2 tracks are not the same. Track 7 of CD 1 makes 2' 29" 973 and track 11 of CD 2 makes 2'33" 133. 2) Fool alternate mix (CD-1, track 14) makes 2' 45" 160. Fool take 1 (CD-1, track 1) makes 2'44, 773. Fool take 1 (on Standing room only) makes 4' 03" 013. Also here 3 different tracks. So I don't see that the tracks are identical. ????

Erika Freiburger (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

How old Ernst is? About 60? This is the usual retiring age in most European countries. Love,Erika

GeertFromNl (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

It's about time to replace Ernst (and Lene). All the mistakes come from these 2 persons. Always. How sad.

FLY-TROUBLE! (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

I wonder what Ersnt's bosses are thinking about him at the moment?:):):) It's a fact that there is a mistake on CD1,another mistake on CD2 and another one in the booklet. So it would be honest to replace the whole FTD and not only CD2. Of course it won't happen because we don't deserve it:) I only hope that his bosses sooner or later will see how amateur this person is. Not that they will care about it. The only thing that counts is the profit. If they can make profit even with amateurs like Lene and Ernst,they won't give a ...t to replace any of these persons. And who will lose finally? Of course WE,the loyal fans. As always.

HangLoose (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse

Mistakes do happen,yes. But when there are mistakes on about 30 FTD's out of the 100,that's more than suspicious.

Lou A (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

I like what Ernst is doing with the FYD releases, and don't have any ax to grind. Mistakes happen. But this CD should be replaced. Let's hope the corrected discs will be sent out to eveyone who ordered it .

tornado (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

Thanks for the precision. Let see what happened now with FTD.

Herman (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

I saw it benny scott, thanks !

benny scott (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

Herman : look under "articles", subject "fool" and read my posting of yesterday 24th. The correct date IS 17 May and not 17 March ( according to Ernst, apologizing fot the 'typo" in a recent interview.) Always El.

marty (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

Oh dear! No more mistakes please! What surprises me more though is that not many fans have picked it up so far! I am not good at it anymore, getting old maybe but when I was younger I could pick up things like that immediately! I could tell one version from the other. On the other hand back then we didn't have too many alt takes... Will they change disk one as well now? Maybe they will give us the alt mix as a bonus to some future release? Herman: I think May 16 is the correct date for both versions?

Herman (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

What about mistake number 3: As I mention before, what is the recording date is of Don't think twice (APA4 1269-02) on this cd ? In the booklet I can read: March 17, 1971 but I guess this should be May 17, 1971. The version on Now (APA4 1269-01) is recorded on May 16, 1971. So, the -02 versions should be recorded after -01 I guess. Or am I wrong ?

Jay (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse

Please, please replace the disc!!!!