EPE Reaction On BBC Dispute

This message is being sent out in response to all who e-mailed Graceland/EPE regarding our not licensing Elvis footage to the BBC's "Top of the Pops" program for the show's feature on Elvis's new #1 UK single "Jailhouse Rock." EPE has had to turn down all footage requests from the BBC since 2002, when an as yet unresolved dispute between the two companies arose. EPE had licensed footage to the BBC for one of their programs and then they re-used that material for other programming despite the fact that the usage agreement specified that re-use was prohibited without separate, specific permission from EPE. The BBC has been mostly unresponsive about the matter, which EPE has been proactive in trying to resolve. Unfortunately, the special opportunity with "Top of the Pops" had to be turned down, as with all BBC footage requests while the infringement issue remains unsettled. It does appear that the high-profile nature of this most recent EPE turndown of a BBC footage request has caught the attention of BBC staff higher up than those EPE has been in communication with about the infringement matter. We hope resolution of the issue will come swiftly, hopefully before this week's edition of "Top of the Pops" when "One Night," Elvis's latest #1 single in the UK should be featured. We are as disappointed as the Elvis fans are about not having Elvis properly represented on the "Top of the Pops" program during the current and exciting wave of success his legacy is enjoying with BMG's great Elvis UK #1 singles reissue promotion. The BBC is to blame, yet EPE is getting bashed for it.
Source: EPE - Elvis Presley Enterprises / Updated: Jan 19, 2005 
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RobIreland (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 23, 2005report abuse
Jim not the one thats included in the In Concert film cause even though he seemed to be messing around alot of people take that as a very sad performance of Elvis forgetting the song, so DDH dont think they should use that really. Isnt there footage of him sitting on a stool on TTWIT, wow if only that could be used. but it'll probably be the muppets singing the song on TOTPs if it hits the number one spot.
Jim Semple (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 22, 2005report abuse
Rob - there is no footage of the famous 1969 laughing version (certainly no official footage, always the possibilty of an audience cinefilm recording though) however there is excellent footage of the 1977 CBS Special, where in Omaha and Rapid City, Elvis gave 2 funny versions.
RobIreland (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 22, 2005report abuse
DDH, theres footage of the laughing version pf AYLT?? would love to see that !.
DDH (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 22, 2005report abuse
okay, so you have fallin' out with the uk's bbc, and the royal uk fans are the ones to suffer, after our long long wait to see ep at the top of the greatest singles chart in the world. so why not arrange a program with their itv rivals playing ALL the uk #1's and showing footage of Elvis were possible. Here we go;
1-All Shook Up Start the show with the listing of the credits.
2-Jailhouse Rock Footage from the film
3-One Night Footage from the '68 Tv show
4-A Fool Such As I Footage from 56 & 57 Tv shows
5-It’s Now or Never Pictures of Elvis between 59 & 60's
6-Are You Lonesome Tonight? Use the footage of 'Laughin' verson'
7-Wooden Heart Footage from GI Blues
8-Surrender Shots of Elvis from Follow that Dream & Flaming Star
9 His Latest Flame Shots of Elvis during 61 &62
10 Can’t Help Falling in Love Footage from Blue Hawaii
11-Good Luck Charm Shots of Elvis from Kid Galahad
12-She's Not You Pictures of Elvis, Gracelands, etc
13-Return to Sender Footage from Girls Girls Girls
14-Devil in Disguise Shots from Kissin Cousins
15-Crying in the Chapel Shots of Elvis between 63 & 66
16 The Wonder of You Footage from 'Elvis, the Concert'
17 Way Down Various pictures of Elvis from 54 to 77
18-A Little Less Conversation Final credits - with thanks to the Uk fans for keeping Elvis's memory ALIVE.
There you are. If you can agree with one Tv station just go to their rivals. Others do it.
Elvos (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
Just saw the 1000th #1 presentation on top of the pops...
And they really did show an impersonater I won't say he did a bad job cause he didn't. At least he was not doing the to much parodiet vegas style Elvis! But those guys at EPE are missing the boat twice. Three's a winner they say Lets wait and see!
The presenter of TOTP said: Unfortunetly the Elvis Presley Estate wont give us any permission to show you any video footage of Elvis. We just can't have a 100% Elvis celebration because of them! It's just to crazy!!
circleG (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
DON'T DON'T DON'T buy the cd's on ebay however tempting. By doing so we're just giving encouragement to those crooks and sad-dos. If they're stuck with 5 cd's each that no one wants then serves them right. if i don't get the ones i've ordered in the post then i'll stick to the ones i have. after all, i must have those songs at least a dozen or so times on hundreds of cd's.
Son Of Mark 64 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
I would prefer pans people than an impersonater. only kiding just show photos i think it would be better or even
clips from 56 that are free
Aarons (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
I have no evidence to back this up, but my opinion is that Mr Sillerman didn't want to give the BBC some Elvis footage. I think Mr Sillerman might want to destroy Elvis's image.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
Sorry message was sent before it had finished! More precisely, they own the IP rights to any Elvis film, performance etc which is used for a reason other than as originally intended...
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
Garydt, You would still need EPE's consent as they own the IP rights to the film, indeed all of Elvis' films....
Garydt (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
Return to Sender - ACT NOW!
OK, we are all p***ed off with TOTP having an impersonator but let's do something positive. The next few Elvis singles after AFSAI probably won't reach No.1 due to the charity singles. So let's concentrate on getting Return to Sender to the top. I say this because, apart from it being a catchy tune, Tops of the Pops can use the clip from GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS as EPE doesn't own the film. So we should start contacting Paramount, or MGM/UA (whoever owns the film), write to them now and ask them to give the BBC permission to use the return to sender clip. That way, when RTS gets to no.1 the REAL Elvis will be people's screens! And it might send a message to EPE!
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
can anyone tell me why none of the uk channels are playing Elvis. EPE cannot be in a dispute with all of them can they ? The fact is EPE charge to much money to show Elvis footage on tv. Whos going to pay thousands of pounds to show Elvis when his not even alive. When they only have to pay a few hundred pound for todays singers. EPE love $$$$$$$. Elvis does not deserve this
GoodRocknTonite (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
You guys. BBC is in default of a contract! I'm sure it will be resolved, but in the mean time EPE cant do business with them. It's that simple.
Carl (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
It is always about greed, isn't it? All these people like EPE are so short-sighted and narrow-minded. They can't see past their greed.
They don't realize that this isn't about money. This is a historic occasion in music. All they see is money. EPE just wants to get some money from the BBC. What a load of greedy bastards.
Who needs your video footage anyway? Elvis was always about the music. And Elvis is doing real fine in the UK without EPE's help. In fact, Elvis is doing great in the UK IN SPITE of everything EPE is doing or not doing. EPE. you are a bunch of greedy bastards. Good news is, we don't need you. And Elvis doesn't need you. Elvis is doing just fine without you, EPE. Who needs ya?
dailyone (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
hey hang on a bit, elvis is number 1 and he didnt even have a video clip. now that is something so come on elvis and the english have done a great job here. no one else can do that now can they. think about it .
dailyone (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
come on put this behind us . dry the tears of unhappiness and and have the tears for happiness . elvis is number 1 .
cal2817 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
Well I'm extremely fed up I've been a fan for 43years since I was ten years old, and I can't even help to get the greatest performer that's ever lived into the charts, Not that he needed my help as he got to number one anyway. But that's not the point I've tried everywhere to get the singles but its hopeless. I sent an e-mail to the HMV head office and they replied and said they only have so many, so it's first come first served. However they gave me a number to ring and said to call on the day of release of each single and maybe I'll be able to get copies but the chance is slight. but I'll try anything. The number is 08705 334578.
I also don't think an ELVIS impersonater should be shown, I would never go to see an impersonator even though I never got to see ELVIS in person. I am in TTWII for a couple of seconds though. I would rater TOTP showed photos.
Justtcb (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
the BBC have been holding the people of the uk to ransom for years with there tv/radio licence fees (pay or be fined £1000 or worse go to prison) which have gone up again! So I'm not supprised they broke a contract or aggreement with EPE they've been conning people for a long time. they're not as righteous as you guys seem to think
Elvos (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 21, 2005report abuse
So Harmston: quote/ I would really be interested in your business credentials, and perhaps given these, you could enlighten us to what you consider the true business position./end of quote
I assume you think you got it all right? and then slander the ones who disagree with you!First of all you don't know me,so I don't like the way you judge me of how my "business credentials" are, And if I got any? Maybe you know the rules my friend. And maybe I'm not up there on your high level as you pretend to be, But it's not my profession working with those rules etc. I only see it as a human with love for his favorit artist, and in real life (at least in my life) Sometimes you take, and sometimes you give! And you give something in return if someone shows you how much they care. We did our thing to show them we care about Elvis and gave him the #1 's he deserves! All I want is that EPE shows that they care for Elvis and his fans and give a little. In the way of lets do this thing righ here! The bad publicity they get now does do more harm then good. In my humble opinion they could show more "humanity" instead of only having it their way.It would have been an investment to show the real Elvis Clip of Jailhouse Rock. I think by now they would have made maybee a thousand new fans who would also buy the new releases! But who am I? I don't know the rules man. I will work on my business credentials, maybee you could work on your additude. Oh yeah Mr Harmston. As Elvis once said during a press conference in 1972 The rules are one thing, the human beeing is another! ( sorry i think i'm mixing things up here?:-)
Sean Ryan (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Not sure if anyone else has realised this but in the UK the number one TV programme with the most ratings is called 'Eastenders' (around 15m)and is shown straight after TOTP so if viewers switch over a few minutes before Eastenders starts they could have caught a glimpse of Elvis performing 'One Night' from the 68 special but now they are gonna see an impersonator instead.How many viewers havent seen the 68 comback and had a great chance to see Elvis in his prime which might have turned them into Elvis fans but now all they are gonna see is a impersonator sing 'One Night' and that would proberly put them off of ever becoming a fan forever.Well done EPE. What a waste!
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
More people watch the BBC than the sky channels in the uk.Top of the pops is the biggest music programme in the uk.Can anyone tell me why cd:uk could not show Elvis singing Jailhouse Rock and one night ? There not the bbc they are ITV. Probably could not afford to pay for it or maybe there in a dispute as well. Oh well never mind we will have a impersonater to look forward too!
cockney_bill (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
With respect Harmston I do not agree that 'commercially' this is the right decision by EPE. Who cares about the other channels at the moment. Potential new fans will be watching TOTP, like it or not. Sky TV could play an hour of totally unseen footage from T.T.W.I.I. on Friday at 7.00 and it would only be us fans that watched it.
Potential 'New' fans (and lets face it every group/ organization etc needs 'new' blood) will watch TOTP and when it comes to No 1 will see an impersonator and think its a joke.
What if the Estate make footage available to ITV?
So what? ITV dont do 'the' chart show every week, BBC do.
While we're talking commercial EPE could have compromised and let them use the '68 special clip with perhaps a priviso that the '68 DVD special is somehow advertised in the top corner of the screen. Now thats what I call commercially viable. At this rate once we've all grown old and died, Elvis' memory will die with us stubborn lot - because we werent prepared to share him with anyone else.
Ton Bruins (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Viva, apologies if I offended you - not my intention at all. Whatever the rights or wrongs, what we have to remeber is we are only talking about the BBC. The impasse does not apply to ITV, Channels 4 & 5, or Sky, MTV, VH1 etc. So even though I fully understand EPE's view re the BBC (and support it as commercially the right decision)what about these other channels? Is the Estate going to make footage available to these? If not, then that is a disgrace, and a decision I would never support...
Viva (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston, I find you quite offensive. Just for the record I'm in the entertainment business (I wish to keep the details private), and I am well aware of how these things work, and while you may be technically correct, you are also slightly off the mark. I do not wish to get into a long debate with you or anyone about this - this site is for posting opinions and that's why I love it so much.
But I digress, I totally respect your position and opinion (the epe remark was tongue in cheek no offense intended) and you obviously know your onions. I will not reply to any more of your postings. You can't deny it's invigorating though isn't it? EPE still suck.
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Thanks alot EPE. I never thought i would say this but your worse than the people on the ebay.This is one big mess of blues ! It seems like money is all there interested in. Elvis does not deserve this and no do the greatest fans in the world. What a disgrace !
Crawfish (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Am totally with you Cockney Bill. Let's hope someone with influence at EPE realises what a major major error this is going to be on their part and in the next (less than) 24 hours makes a few relevant phone calls so we can see Elvis performing in his rightful position. I too would rather see Elvis photographers than another dreaded impersonator (and yes I have seen Mario and yes he is fine, but impersonator is what he is ... Sorry Mario!). We really need our Man tomorrow. He would surely be disgusted with EPE and proud of the fans! We most certainly have not let him down and will continue to fight in Elvis' name and not that of the mighty $.
cockney_bill (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
This really is a mess isn't it. All this is doing is keeping Elvis in our own little world, and not opening him up for a brand new audience. If EVER there was a time when we could get many new faces on board the good ship Elvis Presley it is now. We have potentially 3 No 1's in a row, and the all important 1,000th ever number one.
You'd think Elvis' face would be beaming back at you wherever you went, but the average person on the street cannot even buy the singles (let alone the fans who cant) and now they cannot even see him on T.O.T.P.
Christ - All these youngsters are gonna think of Elvis is this fat guy from the 70's, 'cause thats the photos the press love to show. Can you imagine the reaction an Elvis '68 would get to people who had maybe liked the music from a distance but had never really seen the man at his peak before?
I dont care what anyone says, this should have been sorted out and we should be seeing Elvis on TOTP this Friday.
Can you imagine the Beatles getting the 1,000th Number One and some 4 guys who look a bit like them appearing on TOTP?
Apart from The Sex Pistols has TOTP ever before not played the Number One single (apart from 'banned' records like Frankie goes to Hollywood)?
SendToTodd (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
EPE think the BBC owes them money. The BBC (who are somewhat street wise, and don't deliberatly breach copyright) feel that they don't owe EPE anything.
Last year EPE lost $25,000,000 and need all the friends they can get in the media to boost Elvis' profile. So they should forget the dispute and proceed with the BBC on board as "friends".
Sadly EPE have a reputation of being not very good at making friends. Prior to our 70th Birthday trip I alerted the UK television news people who had accompanied our group on the 25th anniversary tour. Their stock response was "Thanks for the invitation, but we don't want to deal with those people at Graceland again."
In real terms I don't think EPE as an entity is to blame. The folks that work there, particularly with the take over and impending new management are not going to make a decision that will "rock the boat", so sadly no one makes a decision - they just issue statements.
The stock Gary Hovey quote of $100,000 a minute for film footage is legendary. Put this into context and realise when Britney flies into London to guest on TOTP she gets the standard 500 quid ($1,000.00), and is happy for the exposure. (Mind you I wish she would expose a bit more).

You can debate the legalese til the cows come home, but at the end of the day it is not the BBC that looses - they have a good story, it's not the fans that loose out - we've already got the footage - the REAL loosers at EPE because they need good exposure and good publicity, and more than anything right now they need FRIENDS
scarlet o hara (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Well I'm completely sick of this whole mess. And I definately won't be watching TOTP. I will put on one of my favourite dvds of Elvis on and enjoy that. At least he is no.1 in the charts. I couldn't even help him get there as Amazon have just notified me that they couldn't get my copies and will be returning my cheque!
data (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
i am glad mister Harmston you do'nt own that 85% because than we would not see anything at all. You do'nt know the saying " throw in a fish to catch a whale"
Crawfish (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Is this site becoming Harmston News! For goodness sake everyone is entitled to their views and I don't believe anyone (not even you Harmston) is 100% right when this whole issue is viewed from every angle. Surely the MOST important thing is an Elvis clip should be provided to celebrate the 1000th No. 1. It really is that simple. And Harmston, as a Elvis fan who considers the feelings of my fellow fans all over the world, I really don't think you do your argument any justice my throwing your toys out of the pram with comments like "put the fries on", you let yourself down with that one. Sorry.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Actually it would compromise their position for breach of IP rights. And, as I have already said would mean that there can't seek legal redress for similar breaches in the future, therefore, again, as I've already said, they do not control their second most important asset. So your argument is therfore EPE can lose all future income from its IP assets on the basis of allowing TOTP the right to show some film. Glad you're not running my business....
data (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Mister Harmston, sometimes you have to do something for free, and that time was now. Elvis had his 70 birthday, he was at N°1, fans put him there and what do we get from EPE "a njet" Those are the facts all the rest is.... well you know what and i had fries yesterday.
Jim Semple (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston - there is nothing in law preventing EPE to simply say ''BBC, on this occasion, we will allow you to use the One Night footage''. Any other disputes can remain in the background, as they have done for the past 3 years.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
I seriously worry for you guys. seems like you have to criticise and condemn EPE irrespective of what they do. I don't know why you can't accept they are the wronged party and are acting according to commercial logic and regulatory requirements. Maybe you should go put some more fries on, you have customers waiting....
data (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
And please God no impersonater that is the last thing we need. Every non fan will love this.
data (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmstrong on the loose again. Come on man it's all EPE fault. Legal my. They should be glad Elvis is at number one and give free permition to give a 2 or 3 minute clip. t could have been a great promotion for the single and the DVd, but promotion is a word EPE has yet to discover, and a thank you to the fans forget it. That's even too much to ask.
DDH (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Still no Elvis on TOTP, guess I just have to talk to the wife, or maybe I put on the Elvis DVD
2001 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
An Elvis impersonator? It would be a BIG insult to all Elvis fans.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Sorry Viva you are wrong, utterly and completely wrong. 'A very simple agreement could easily be reached with a quick exchange of written permission on the grounds of exceptional circumstances and the fact that it is beneficial to the company and it's shareholders' is complete and utter nonsense. A quick exchange of permissions is NOT possible to rectify this situation. Permissions can not be retrospective -technically contractually, what is known as 'consideration' must be present or future.
At the risk of repeating myself:
An informal or formal compromise on a contractual breach ensures that no future similar breaches by other parties can be remedied. I can give you a hundred and one examples in case law if you like.
Not sure where you get your information from but suggest you try another source. As for companies not being run in textbook fashion - not entirely sure what planet you are living on!
And no i don't work for EPE, my job day in day out is advising on corporare structure to banks and insurance companies for the world's largest consultancy and advisory company, which Davrid can confirm for you if you have any doubts.
Jim Semple (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
NEWSFLASH - Top of The Pops have got the guy (an impersonater) who does the Elvis musical to sing ''One Night'' in the studio, as they still can't get permission of EPE to show any footage. I think we have reached an absolute new low here, this is absolutely sickening. I am furious. And yes its all down to EPE. Disgusting, getting some guy to sing in his place. Please visit the BBC News website, Entertainment Section for details.
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Oh my god cj. If there going to put an Elvis impersonater on I shall switch Top of the pops off. That would be the final insult to me. If i cannot see the real thing i would rather go without !
cj (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
According to BBC website, a professional Elvis impersanator will perform "One Night" and probably "A Fool such as I"
Flippar1954 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Are EPE aware that the BBC did show footage of the 68 J Rock on their main morning news programme the same day that TOTP was unable to do so? Was this allowed as it was news story?Was it covered under the blanket BBC ageement?
Intersting that BBC showed 3 Elvis movies on the weekend of his 70th and had radio progs also, they have been more supprotive of Elvis than any other UK broadcaster over the years.BBC also showed news footage back in July 2004 when TARMama was released.
I've had the pleasure of dealing with both EPE and Apple in my media work, both highly professional and easy to deal with. Least user friendly org is the controllers of songs owned by Michael jackson eg the old Beatles Northern Songs. Heaven help us all if whoever bought rights off Lisa Marie ends up selling then to MJ org, I always saw that ulterior motive in his relationship with Lisa.
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Does anybody know what the footage was from 2002 ? I would really like to know. May be if EPE could explain what the footage was I might beable to understand better. Any ideas anyone ? I just had a thought maybe they should get together and release a new song and call it EPE vs BBC. I am only kidding I have a sense of humour.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Sorry forgot. What is it you do exactly?
Viva (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Christ, which department of EPE do you work for harmston?
While the language you use is very impressive and does put forward a convincing argument, the simple fact is that, in reality, businesses are not run in this text book fashion. A very simple agreement could easily be reached with a quick exchange of written permission on the grounds of exceptional circumstances and the fact that it is beneficial to the company and it's shareholders. I'm sure you will try to shoot this down in flames but the simple fact is business agreements are made on an individual basis and it is up to the company whether they act on any percieved breech of an individual contract. To allow Top of the pops to show a clip can in no way be interpreted as not acting in the best interests of the shareholders.
Of course EPE has to comply with the law but you're taking this point too far, EPE acted the way they did due to their own narrow minded elitist attitude - not to protect Elvis or to obey any bloody law.
SuziB (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston, I didn't realise that we had such informed and knowledgeable people on this group. I mean that sincerely as I always read your posts with great interest. Having now checked what you say (sorry!) I know you are correct from a business viewpoint but sometimes the business considerations are less important than other concerns. Whoever is responsible has ruined the occassion for many fans and has probably limited the amount of sales possible. EPE has never really cared about us, the people who generate their income and I'm sure something could have been sorted out. Let's hope we are in for a pleasant surprise tomorrow night. I am at unii reading Business Management, and would appreciate your help. Please can you drop me a line.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Elvos, are you disagreeing with the business principles I have outlined? If so, you're incorrect. What I haver stated is 100% the case. I would really be interested in your business credentials, and perhaps given these, you could enlighten us to what you consider the true business position.
With all respect what you say is ignorant and idiotic. EPE can not make an exception, regardless of whom the other party is. As I have said twice now, to do so means they can not seek legal redress for similar breaches by other organisations. Again, meaning, they have no control over their second largest asset -the IP rights. They need to seek a legally satisfied compromise, if they are willing to compromise - this does not mean they can say 'hey BBC forget the issue, forget that you abused our IP, that you breached our contract' - legally and commercially this is not possible as it is prejudicial to the requirement for a company to act in the best interests of its shareholders.
Dave (davrid) thoughts on this?
Digger (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
It is very very sad, not to allow BBC to play Elvis clips. Such a great historical moment: Elvis thought many times, if the world would forget him after his death? And now 28 years after his death he has two number one hits in the UK with almost 50 year old classic-songs!
Because of what? Because the fans are still loving this man and buy his records. The answer of EPE? Fighting with BBC because of money instead of giving the fans the chance to see the king on TV! It´s really a shame, that´s a fact and they cannot turn back times. The week with "Jailhouse Rock" is now over. The chance is gone forever! ...and I think Elvis would "fire" everyone at EPE because of a matter like that!
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
I dont think EPE are the only ones who are getting bashed here.I know alot of the fans who have sent emails to Top of the pops as well. I sent emails to both of them. And i was more polite to EPE than i was to Top of the pops ! May be with a bit of luck they might get something sorted out before friday. I will still be watching Top of the pops so i can watch the top ten count down.It will be great to see Elvis twice in the top ten. I have never in my life seen that before. Did this ever happen in the 50s or 60s ? I was not born until the late 60s so I missed out on them years.
Elvos (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you harmston! Well at least not with everything you claim. I know buisiness wise it would be right for EPE to do what they do..but at the long run this dessision will do more harm then good! But if you can make an exception for a good cause it will show some goodwill and will pay itself back! We did as fans all we could to let Elvis top the charts! Now it's their turn to do something back.Just look at how many people bash EPE for this ,and after such a bad and childish excuse they use it only gets worst!
I mean is "The BBC is to blame, yet EPE is getting bashed for it. " an excuse .yeah maybe on the playground! They scr#w up big time..and on ..and on..Maybe EPE should have an European devision! (You're losing intrest in me and it's showing)Thankyouverymuch
Crawfish (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
I am with Mal on this one. What ever the contractual problems there is only ever ONE 1000th No. 1 in UK charts and EPE, and I am usually a staunch defender of them (rightly or wrongly!), should realise this and let BBC use Elvis on TOTP this week and certainly whilst these 18 no. 1's are coming out. I have a feeling Elvis would despair with the mighty $ being put before his fans. As we have all said remember they really should remember why they all have jobs in the first place and be PROUD to act in Elvis name, which I don't believe they are at the moment! They know we won't leave Elvis, and we won't, but they really should learn not to bite the hand that feeds them!! Truly!
ElvisDayByDay (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
In this case the BBC has an interest too. They want to do a show counting town to the 1000th #1. They can't end this with "sorry, no footage available, goodnight". They can always make a video themselves using stock photographs or footage.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
'Bury their differences' - depends what this means. If you are suggesting they simply forget the dispute, then as I have already said, they can not do this. Firstly, as its contrary to statutory requirements (see previous posts) and secondly, it would mean they can not legally enforce similar breaches of contract. Meaning EPE has, in effect, no business.
I am sure the contract must have clauses which govern a breach of it - therefore the BBC should honour their commitment and make compensation and/or damages. Alternatively, EPE can sue for unliquidated damages for breach, or seek an injunction preventing the BBC from continuing the breach.
From a business perspective, the best solution would be to some form of compromise - although this has a multitude of legal requirements attached to it - but this takes two. Personally, despite the complications of the BBC not being an incorporated entity as such, I would sue. But that would mean Elvis would never again appear on the BBC. I really don't understand how anyone can accuse EPE of doing anything wrong here - it hasn't. End of story.
Rev. Gerhard (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
EPE is a good example how sick it can make you if you has only $ in your eyes.
Jim Semple (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston - we are not negotiating a strategic plan on how to invade Iraq here, this is just a simple process, where EPE can bury their differences, and remember who got them to where they are today. Their attitude is very unlike a typical business that I deal with, because most businesses know where there bread is buttered and who raises the money for them.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
You would have thought so but clearly not. The Estate could sue for damages, the BBC could apologise and pay settlement in lieu of damages, or they could reach some form of compromise. depends on what has been contractually agreed. What EPE is not allowed to do is just forget it...as this would constitute a breach of the statutory duty to act in the best interests of the shareholders. For which, both in the UK and US, a company can be heavily fined for, and indeed in extreme cases, face an enforced winding-up order.
yelserp (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston - surely if this breach of contract happened in 2002 it should of been sorted out by now. They have had 3 years to do so!!
Son Of Mark 64 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
This is nothing new. I have been an ELVIS fan for about 35 years and I can only remember seeing ELVIS on totp once that was when polk salad annie was released and they showed a clip from ETTWII, also when he died they showed clips from his movies for way down all the rest eg allways on my mind,f ool moody blue it was a daft clip of something or pans people dancing nothing has changed dont hold your breath. For some reason the myth of not seeing ELVIS (less means more coverage?)continues.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Dear oh dear..here we go again. As I've already said, EPE owns a duty of care and a statutory requirement to act in the best interests of its shareholders. To allow someone to breach an agreement creates a precedent which means you can not seek legal redress for breach of similar rights. As for not buying EPE products - go ahead, who the hell would care....
Luuk (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
We can all show how much we appreciate EPE not allowing Top of the pops showing an Elvis clip by completely ignoring their products that are released in May.
Fact is they do not make money on these re-released singles as all profit on sales go to BMG. But it looks rather foolish to everybody when the "Top of the pops" presenter announces: And here is number one, another Elvis Presley song that sold like hot cakes, but we cannot show you a clip AGAIN. Since EPE seems to be all about money only, ignoring their new project is the best we can do to show what we think about their activities.
RobIreland (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Think i'll become a Cliff Richard fan!!
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Eddie White, what business are you in? Contrary to popular belief, contracts in business are certainly not broken on a daily basis - everyday, I consult to some of the largest banks and insurance companies in the world and not once have I ever known a contract to be deliberately breached, not once. Credibility and reputation are vital in every field of business, and to claim otherwise is just naivety or ignorance.
Anyone who thinks EPE should not protect its assets has zero understanding of business. Every company has a legal requirement to act in the best interests of its shareholders, including protection of its assets and revenue streams. Before people criticise EPE, at least have some understanding of what on earth you're talking about.
Deke Rivers 6 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
I thought TOTP had gone back to the dark ages when they would show a couple of pic's or have Pan's People dancing to the record because the artist couldn't appear,I cringe at those day's. BUT NO it was EPE,how pathetic,you missed a good oppertunity to sell, sell, sell....
David Brys (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Well, I can understand the opinion of EPE. The image and sound of Elvis has been used in an indecent way and exploited for far to many things much too often. They have to draw the line somewhere and BBC crossed it. It's very stupid of the BBC to have broken a contract they both signed, so let's pay the consequences (like real adults huh!). No one is to blame if both parties keep themselves to agreements they made.
William S. Burroughs (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Well, of course EPE has to protect its interests. But wasn´t this a great great great opportunity to expose their product and get free publicity. I mean the majority of the buyers, the people who sustain EPE as a bussiness are no longer in the bloom of their youth (no matter how rich they are, how alienated and how expensive the insurance for their let´s exploit Elvis filth is.)
They lost a very good opportunity and they know it. Oh well for money making there will be lots and lots of better chances. To create a new generation of fans no with criterion and with no idea of artistic values I see million chances.
For Elvis true artistic genius to be truly apreciated? Yes, I see chances but not in many people, at least not in the fans hahaha. ohhh no! I said it; I will run now, I will hide in caves, please don´t get wild Im not Lisa Marie. Im a Fan Im a Fan please don´t burn me alive on green wood for these sacrilege; ohh no the elvis inquisition will come for me..
get real (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
What a load of GARBAGE, EPE. What do you take us fans for? Idiots? "The BBC is to blame, yet EPE is getting bashed for it." Obviously you havent been bashed yet enough. Do you think this whole thing on TOTPs is hurting the BBC in anyway? Of course not. It only hurts Elvis and his fans, US! You guys over there are idiots.
Eddie White (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Harmston. EPE is a business which survives because of us. Contracts are made and broken everyday in business. Their business is our business and that should not be forgotten. I doubt in this case that lots of money was at stake. I think it is more to do with trust and hurt feelings. In this case the grown ups are playing on the hearth rug with our toys.
harmston (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Come on guys, EPE is a business. And no business would or should allow another to breach an agreement and use IP rights other than as intended by said agreement. Aside from Graceland, IP is the greatest assest EPE owns and it has to protect its interests. Of course, it's a damn shame the result this has, but again people are casting aspersions in the wrong direction. Frankly, if IP rights have been abused then EPE should sue and unfortunately never again would Elvis appear on the BBC.
This casts a huge question mark over Todd Slaughter's post saying EPE was requesting a $100,000 a minute -which appears to be a load of old baloney. Or even if this is a true figure (which based upon the above appears otherwise) maybe this was sought as compensation for the breach and Todd either forgot to mention the context or wasnt privvy to the information, casting huge doubts over his credibility as a source of reliable information.
RobIreland (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
EPE what do you think Elvis would think about your pettiness? You'd all be sacked you slackers !!
doctor (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Three years on and still fighting over it! How childish! Give me a break, EPE. Who's side are you on? MAybe you need to take some conflict resolution courses. All you had to do was weigh the pros and cons, and let the BBC show Elvis. You missed a great opportunity to expose him to the young fans. What a shame. But considering some of the rubbish EPE allowed to be released with Elvis' name over the years, I'm not surprised that their ability to think rationally is still so impeded. "(Now and Then There) Are Fools SUch As They."
Eddie White (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
Jim Smple. Once again spot on. EPE have put contractual agreements made afew years ago ahead of common sense. The rank and file Elvis fans are missing out as a result. Remember this, EPE would not exist if it were not for the people like you and me. We have been dumped on from a great height!
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 20, 2005report abuse
My three children were all looking forward to seeing Elvis on Top of the pops and what do they get nothing.And they are the new generation of fans. I thought thats why they sold 85% to mr sillerman so they could get Elvis to a more worldwide audience. Nothings changed there then !
Viva (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 19, 2005report abuse
EPE you are a disgrace to Elvis' name. How dare you turn what could have been a wonderful opportunity to advertise this and other single releases in a positive and productive way into what can only be described as an embarrassment.
The pathetic reason given for not allowing the BBC to show a decent video clip conclusively proves that you lot really are so far up your own asses, you can't see daylight anymore.
It's no wonder EPE have the awful reputation of being money grabbing, unreasonable, greedy and stubborn. They have shown their true colours on this one. How dare they blame the BBC in this way, ok it may have been in breach of an agreement, but re-using a bit of footage is hardly crime of the century; and remember, the BBC are responsible for some of the most positive and well made programmes about Elvis.
The biggest crime here is the fact that the very people who claim to care and protect Elvis' name are the very ones who seem hell bent on destroying it. Mr Sillerman seems a very attractive prospect all of a sudden.
Sean Ryan (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 19, 2005report abuse
EPE have shot themselves in the foot with explanation.
I think that says it all. How childish can anyone get? Its like two kids fighting in the playground. All the rubbish that has been said about Elvis since he passed,all the books etc.His name has been dragged through the mud but until only recently he is being reconised like he should be and we have a chance to let the public see how great he was.
But the people that represent him dont wanna do that over an issue that is so pathetic its laughable. The youth of today are the adult fans of the future and if they see /hear him on TV like programmes like TOTP it could turn them into fans like us.But EPE dont wanna do that over money. Elvis deserves to be treated better than this.
Jim Semple (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 19, 2005report abuse
EPE, that's probably the worst explanation I have ever had. Since 2002 for gods sake. Think of the bigger picture i.e. what tremendous publicity this is for Elvis and stop thinking of the dollar all the time. The need for greed is terrible I think.
pacer1965 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 19, 2005report abuse
I have recieved this email as well.2002 is a long time ago dont you think ? Now i know why we are seeing more of Elvis on sky than we are on the BBC. Please EPE let us see the king on Top of the pops !
Mal (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 19, 2005report abuse
could'nt they just put there differences aside this one time you only get 1000th number 1 once, talk about biting your nose off to spite your face.

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