Elvis (Fool)

By ElvisNews.com/ LexOct 17, 2010
Elvis (Fool)

The latest outing in the classic album series is the third album simply titled “Elvis”, which soon got named “Fool”.

Design

The design is the same as the others in this series. The extra photos are mainly from Aloha From Hawaii. Furthermore you’ll find session notes, behind the scenes and more memorabilia.

Content

The original was never among my favourites. Although I like quite a lot of the songs, the inclusion of Padre made it hard to play. Padre is battling with some of the movie songs for worst Elvis-recording ever! Except It’s Still Here I don’t really like the “piano songs”, but the remaining half of the album is good to great. For Lovin’ Me, Love Me, Love The Life I Lead and Don’t Think Twice, It's All Right ended up on several tapes with my own favourite collections soon.

Disc 1 is filled with, of course, the original album, but also other songs that where suggested at the time and some bonus songs, among them Steamroller Blues (great to hear anytime, but in my ears it doesn’t really fit) and the remake of Until It’s Time For You To Go (which I like much better than the original). The songs recorded for the US version of Aloha (mainly from Blue Hawaii) are not a valuable addition either.

The outtakes are that what you expect of them, a lot of false starts, forgotten words, and the occasional swearing. Again I am not glad with the fact there are outtakes of Padre too, but ignoring those the second disc is a pleasant listen. Quite some unreleased outtakes are included, topped with a (different) 11:20 version of Don’t Think Twice.

Conclusion

It had to be done (assuming they will release all albums in this series).
 

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Tracklisting

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Reactions

kink56 (profilecontact) wrote on Jan 9, 2011report abuse
I think track 14 from disc 1 (Fool, original alternate mix) SHOULD have been the mix with orchestra from the beginning that was used on the Silver Box, disc 3, track 16. The single master from the FTD release, is definately a different mix, with more echo and the stereo balance is completely different. I have not yet been able to find the difference between track 1 and 14 on the FTD. But I am tired of listening to this song at the moment.
Cruiser621 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 25, 2010report abuse
I finally received my copies of Elvis/Fool FTD CD, along with Jailhouse Rock Volume 2 today, Dec. 24th, 2010 and I have mixed emotions on certain songs. Padre is, in fact, at least the official album version, track 6 ranks right up there as the worst overdub by Felton Jarvis I've ever heard; on the other hand, track 8, I'll Take You Home Kathleen with overdubs is outstanding and really highlights this song. However, Track 4 on Disc 1, It's Still Here doesn't cut it at all compared to all and every version I've ever had including all the outtake versions on this CD; it's got an annoying background, I guess you would call it lack of clarity or fuzziness to it. As for the Padre outtakes, 1 & 2 plus 11 on the new revised 2nd CD, there is a definite difference, but the distortion is still there in both versions and I had to laugh when I read the accompanying booklet, there's a memo from Joan Deary to George which states there was distortion on the voice tracks of Padre (plus 2 others) which begs the question, if you knew these tapes were sub-standard why didn't you start from scratch? ...or to put it in one of my earlier comments on this page, why didn't FTD fix it? They could have. Enough and to the point, this is a startling experience and I rate this CD as a plus to my collection-warts and all. I'm only sorry it wasn't done better by FTD and further, what is the difference, if any, between all these Original Alternate Mixes? P.S. I know in the '70's RCA got a bit shoddy in their product; this is an example, not FTD's.
kink56 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 22, 2010report abuse
I just played "They Remind Me..." from Double Features, (mastering sucks) FTD "It Happened..." Command Performances and Elvis At The Movies, I cannot seem to detect much in the way of distortion, although it seems in the bridge there is near clipping going on. But, I think I vaguely remember having owned a release of that song that DID have out and out distortion, just don't remember what CD it was on. I would like to know if there is a clean master of "Blue Moon of Kentucky" that does not have the LP version of added echo. The last time I heard that track without the added echo is when I used to own the EP "A Touch of Gold V, III" on vinyl. I did not know until recently that most of RCA's masters of the Sun singles were taken from 78s and not tape, as they either did not ever receive some tape from Sun, or they lost many they DID get!
Cruiser621 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 22, 2010report abuse
kink56, good to hear from you again and a very enlightening message. I'm trusting the released version of Padre won't have these flaws as the outtake versions, which are really irritating. As I stated in one of my earlier messages, RCA did this to the original released version of They Remind Me Too Much Of You; some of the outtakes are much, much better as to this song. Much, as yourself, I feel a good majority of Elvis' studio outtakes are superior to some of his actual released material, especially without the added Felton Jarvis fluff which ruined a ton of Elvis' material. On the other hand, there are a few with added strings care of Mr. Jarvis which actually enhance Mr. Presley's songs. One of the reasons I got hooked on FTD was to hear our man as he actually was in the studio without the added echo/reverb during the fifties. I long stopped buying his stuff in the seventies and am now, only going back and hearing what I missed in my younger days to be honest; some of it is awesome to listen to now in my older age. I am still an Elvis person of the 1950's and early '60's.
kink56 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 21, 2010report abuse
Crusier thanks for verifying the early Elvis is Back problems for me. I am listening to Padre, and it seems the distortion is over-modulation, circuit overload. I guess it may be one reason some of these takes could not used as the "master take" Now, I am for using no limiters in recording (like Bill Porter used to do, he took the limiters out of the circuit for his sessions) so all the dynamics are intact with minimal compression. Of course you run the risk of red-lining. I think that may be what is going on with the Padre outtakes. When I hear various outtakes, so many of them have better dynamics and resolution than the final versions mastered for release. I prefer the fidelity of many of the outtakes over the offical releases. What do you think?
Cruiser621 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 19, 2010report abuse
Hey kink56, I do remember the "Elvis Is Back" initial CD and LP (which I still have) where the beginning piano to the song Soldier Boy was really distorted and sounded like someone had their finger on the tape to slow it down before the song came in at the proper speed. That was a regular RCA/BMG CD released for public sale and I took mine back to the store from where I purchased it. No quality control at all on some of these early RCA releases; get the money and run. By the way, I phoned Shop Elvis my place for getting FTD releases in Virginia and they now tell me I should have all four ordered FTD CD's from way back in November probably by this coming Tuesday or Wednesday, Dec. 21-22, 2010. Still waiting.
kink56 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 19, 2010report abuse
Cruiser, I remember that early CD masters of "Make Me Know It" as well as the Digital LP masters, had distortion in the opening piano. Later remasters do not have this problem. I suspect, in that case, it had to do with certain generations of master tapes. I have not recieved any of my recent order yet, but I hope to next week. Thanks for your comments.
Cruiser621 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 18, 2010report abuse
kink56, guess what? You were correct we get the replacement disc before we get the actual Fool FTD release in completion; unbelievable. I received mine yesterday, Dec. 17th, 2010 and listened to it completely. To be blunt, I'm very, very disappointed in the outtakes of the song Padre (a song of which, unlike quite a few reviewers) I happen to like. I own the FTD CD I Sing All Kinds and on that CD is take 2 of Padre, which of course, is included on the re-made 2nd disc of the Fool FTD CD along with the false start before it take 1 and take 11. Here's my gripe. In all instances there is severe distortion in Elvis' voice when he goes up to hit a certain verse early in this song and at the end on take 11 to boot (much as the distortion on They Remind Me Too Much of You from the movie soundtrack It Happened At The Worlds Fair). There's really nothing FTD can do with this recording as it sounds like the sound is tearing or ripping, which begs the question why release it, period. The remastering folks who did the Beatles were able to clean up a similar case on The Beatles Abbey Round re-released in 2009! Why pray tell can't FTD get it right? I'm only hopping that the original version of Padre on side one of my still waiting for Fool FTD CD will be up to snuff compared to what I've purchased so far. As yourself kink56 I ordered Jailhouse Rock volume 2 with the Fool CD. Still waiting, with my fingers crossed. I'll let you know of my continuing saga once I actually receive my copy.
kink56 (profilecontact) wrote on Dec 18, 2010report abuse
I ordered Fool, along with Jailhouse Rock V.2 as well, and the irony is I will be receiving the replacement disc BEFORE I actually get the Fool CD!!
Cruiser621 (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 19, 2010report abuse
I had ordered both this FTD CD and Jailhouse Rock Volume 2 as a package deal for reduced shipping which is neither here nor there and I find out last night this CD "Elvis-Fool" is no longer available until maybe Dec. 17th, 2010 here in the states because they have to remake the 2nd CD for this CD. Great! I would have had to wait until Jailhouse Rock Volume 2 was actually released (which is supposed to be at the tail end of November) but now December 17th, 2010. I canceled my order and will just wait until Jailhouse Rock comes out. This web site tends to build your expectations up and FTD knocks 'em down. I made a composite of the Fool FTD CD on my computer from Elvis songs I have already and I'll probably forego the actual FTD CD. Thanks, but no thanks FTD. You've lost me again. Enough is enough.
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 13, 2010report abuse
RCA did not lose the "Speedway" out-takes, they never had them in the first place. Generally the film companies, MGM in this case, only handed over a master reel containing the masters and alternative masters literally cut out of the session tapes. The film companies then either filed the session tapes away, lost them in their huge archives or threw them away.
KurtKK (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 8, 2010report abuse
Don't like the selection of songs they put on this one. Won't spend $30, just for one unedited 12 min. song. Which album will be next one ? HeTMe ?? EPBlvd ? Tell us, please; now that we know Speedway outtakes were ...lost at RCA....??!
Matt W (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 4, 2010report abuse
Can everyone feel HangLoose's jealousy? So sad. With regards to Reconsider Baby - its not added echo, its room echo that's part of the original recording. The vintage mix just makes it sound more prominent.
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 1, 2010report abuse
I agree with 100 % Orion, i love the sound on this release as well
Orion (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 1, 2010report abuse
I just received my copy.. took a long time to cross the pond - talk about a slow boat to the US. Anyway, after all the negative comments I was shocked at how much I enjoyed listening to this one over the weekend. The sound is very good throughout - especially on the piano outtakes. Even the after show Aloha tracks sound better than on previous releases. However, the track that most caught my attention was the Madison Sq. version of "Reconsider." I might be alone on this, but I really felt the added echo enhanced the bluesy feel to the song - esp. for a live version. Anyone know if this mix was originally done by Joan Deary or the current FTD crew of Lenne and Vic ? Either way, I like its sound.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Nov 1, 2010report abuse
Someone makes an honest comment, and it all ends with some clowns fooling around? Well, it doesn't end like this, anyway. So if you don't want to help, why do you not keep your mouth shut: Kurt, Loesje and Pietro. Guess, you didn't make too much sense, anyway. To Hang loose: What about we both might calm down right now. It's all be said and done. All we can do is wait for some FTD reaction. I hope it will be there. Pls not put too much anger to your heart, maybe someday FTD will allow the help of some fans, we'll never know.
Pietro S (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 31, 2010report abuse
So, "Let's get rid of our itch together, hmmm..." ;)
Loesje (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 30, 2010report abuse
PietroS: yes of course!
Pietro S (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 30, 2010report abuse
KurtK alias SwCaroline alias JudyWahini?
KurtKK (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 30, 2010report abuse
Sorry, I consider this one a rip off. Won't spend 30 euros (in Paris) for this FTD. Can't wait to buy next FTD Speedway or He Touched Me !!! Sorry folks. Not attractive enough....would have liked to see more bonus songs/hits of that ear on it....KRain, Welcome to my world, If I can dream/Edge Reality, My way a.o.
HangLoose (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 30, 2010report abuse
Even Ciscoking offered him his FREE help many times but in most cases Ernst didn't even aswer his p.m.'s. Just like the way Elvis didn't accept the doctors' help,Ernst's stuck-up ego doesn't allow it either. Not even if the help is 100% free. Egoism and narrowness. Simple as that.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 28, 2010report abuse
This idea could really work out. Just contact the editors of the most important Elvis websites, like Elvis infonet, Elvis in Norway, Elvis news, Elvis matters and so on. Send a preview to them and ask about their opinion. It might be quite a lot of work for them, as well, listening to all the details, ‘cause now they are responsible, too, for any mistake! But they also could be privileged to do a preview about the forthcoming album, and this would be some free advertising for FTD as well. Everyone could win. Now there’s a gap between FTD and the fans. What we need now are some people, to build a bridge. But I guess, I better give up now with my stupid comments, HangLoose might be right, better forget it.
HangLoose (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 27, 2010report abuse
"Why not let the fans help a little bit?" Great idea,Mike,but it has already been discussed before many times. A lot of fans offered their FREE help to Ernst but he refused it - in most cases he didn't even answer. The reason is simple: egoism. He's in a unique status and he doesn't want to share it with anyone. It's not only about money,it's about egoism.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
'take a look' of course :-))
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Hi Benny Scott, you made the right comments, thanks! I was thinking about this supervisor idea again. If FTD cannot find someone in their own company, why not use the experience of some special fans. Maybe just two or three very reliable persons, that get a preview copy of the final product, without the package, just the CDRs. Mostly the mistakes are discovered by the fans, why not let them find out, before this whole thing goes into production. I’m talking about the sound, the remastering, the content. Of course it’s a delicate matter, but if you can find these fans, that you can thrust 100%, they could check on the final product and make a comment. I guess, there could be some improvement. Maybe there’s just not enough time for the people working at the FTD-projects, that’s why so many things go wrong. FTD is a big task, with maybe not too many people involved. Why not let the fans help a little bit, kind of letting them get involved a bit more. Maybe that sounds weird, but take a lot at the situation now, there are many unhappy fans, because their comments, complaints and reactions seem to be neglected. If someone from their side would be included in the work of progress, well, it could only help.
Zoltan84 (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
I think the errors have reached a hysterical level. Pull yourself together,Ernst and leave FTD alone. These major errors are the end of your job at FTD. Good bye!
HangLoose (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
It's funny to read the comments from the few Ernst supporters. Sadly the facts can't lie. You may like him or hate him,it doesn't matter. The errors are there. That's a FACT. And not only a few errors. This man has made at least 100 errors on various Elvis releases since 1986.
dufl (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
I think the criticism has reached a hysterical level. Pull yourselves together. These minor errors are not exactly the end of the world.
dgirl (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
I believe Ernst is a fan and has given the fans what they want. Mistakes happen, It happened with RCA on records in the 50's. (remember Doncha Think Its Time on Gold Records Vol2?). I just dont think FTD has much left in the tank for myself personally. Not a fan of soundboards and not a fan of all these classic albums ( in some cases they are anything but classic to begin with) for 35.00. But this is what fans want so let him do his job. Someone mentioned he has to go because he is 60. Thats the most ridiculous thing I ever heard!
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Jesse : agreed about the great releases and the fact that a lot of material never would have seen the light of day without Ernst. Lene Reidel is a complete other problem that could be solved easily by not let her taking part in the process of forthcoming releases. Always El.
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
You don't have to be sorry for being sincere Erika . On the contrary, it suits you to give your opinion in a polite and decent way without using rude language( BTW : you never do as long as I've been reading your postings). I can understand the way you and a lot of other fans feel about the errors in many FTD-releases. I think the problem lies in the fact that Ernst maybe should be helped personally by a couple of other members of the team, or at least expand the FTD-team. Let's not forget FTD is NOT Ernst's most important job at the company. Of course, this is not helping us, fans. I still support the label, simply due to the fact that there were many GOOD releases in the past too. So ( and this is not aimed at you personally Erika, but in general ) let's not make Ernst the scapegoat of everything that is wrong. But I do agree that things could be done better. Let's hope Ernst and his bosses read our postings and are prepared to do something about it ! Always El.
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
This is way taken out of proportion for a few mistakes on this release and a few others mistakes that can be counted on one hand i didn't loose my trust in this label at all they also are going to correct this mistake Ernst Jorgensen is also responsible for so many great releases of FTD and outside FTD that would never have seen the light of day if he wasn't around.
Erika Freiburger (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Is there any chance to dump Mr Jorgensen? I was a loyal supporter of the label but recently i'm not able to buy any of them. Anytime i see an FTD CD the ugly face of Ernst comes to my mind and i can't force myself to pay 22 euros for a CD made by this person. I completely lost my faith in him. He is obviously not suitable to do these releases. I don't want to be rude and usually i try to concentrate on the positive things but this man caused so much harm to the fans (and mainly to the reputation of the FTD label) that i can't pretend my non-existing loyalty anymore. I can't trust in this label anymore. Sorry for my sincerity. Love,Erika
HangLoose (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Ernst has to go. This drama queen does so many mistakes that it's unacceptable. I completely agree with Mike Sanders' posts. We are paying top dollar for these releases and what we get? Errors,errors and errors. Ernst and Lene will never change. They had 11 years to do it but after 11 years things are still the same: overpriced FTD's with a lot of mistakes. Shame on you,Ernst. You're an amateur,just like Lene.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Hi Jay, well I wrote a comment, that my friend Oven ’Elvis in Norway‘ put on his website. There was a misprint about CD-1, it has been corrected already. Here it is:

There are two major mistakes on this release. Mistake No. 1 is already official: Track 11 on CD-2 is not take 11, but take 2 (track 4). Wow, sounds confusing, right? Maybe someone at FTD was confused, too. At least some replacement for CD-2 will be delivered.

Mistake No. 2 is not official now, hope there will be some statement soon:
The alternate mix of 'Fool' (CD-1, track 14) has been replaced by the FTD Standing Room Only version of the song, which of course is the exactly same mix as track 1. Elvis voice is a little bit stronger on the left channel, but it's exactly the same mix. Both tracks run 2:45 min, so someone definitively has made a mistake here, since the alternate mix was supposed to run 2:49.

Jay, thanks for your comment.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 26, 2010report abuse
Well, didn’t mean to be unpolite. I was always 100% loyal to FTD. I did some reviews on the Elvis in Norway site, always positive and supporting, even if they made some mistakes. I learned to accept the poor quality of their soundboards releases, even accepted many mistakes on the papersleeve projects. The Classic album series was always something special to me, that made it all up. All the mistakes were forgotten, when I listend to the cristal clear sound of Golden Records 2. There’s Vic Anesini, Kevin Budd and Sebastian Jeansson. If you read their names, you know what you get. The highest quality. But especially concerning the 70‘s releases there are too many mistakes. Why do these mistakes never happen in some 50s or early 60s releases? Is it, because Mr. Jorgensen favorites this time of Elvis career? Still, it’s a matter about take care or not take care. Maybe the period after 1970 doesn’t seem important to him, but it is to a lot of fans. Let go of some ‘70s Elvis‘ engineer called Lene Reidel. Whenever her name is included in the booklet, you just shiver and shake about some remastering mistakes. This ’Fool‘ release could have been something nice, but it seems, it wasn’t important enough, to let the right people work on it
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse
Hi Michael Sander . A supervisor would be very useful indeed . Very good suggestion you made ! Always El.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse
I emailed Elvis Matters regarding the 'Fool' alternate take mistake and they have since published this on there website:

'There are two major mistakes on this release. Mistake No. 1 is already official: Track 11 on CD-2 is not take 11, but take 2 from CD-1 (track 4). A replacement for CD-2 will be delivered with the following new releases by the end of November. Mistake No. 2 is not official now. The alternate mix of 'Fool' (CD-1, track 14) has been replaced by the FTD Standing Room Only version of the song, which of course is the exactly same mix as track 1. Elvis voice is a little bit stronger on the left channel, but it's exactly the same mix. Both tracks run 2:45 min, the alternate mix was supposed to run 2:49. The key might be the string section. There is an acetate version of 'Fool' on bootleg, but there's also Joan Deary's version on the Silver Box. Both are featuring the strings right from the beginning. Since this is only speculation, the fact is: Track 1 and track 14 are the same. Another duplication!'

Published: october 25th 2010 02:58 PM. Published by: ElvisMatters - David Hamal . Lets hope the FTD gang read this!!!
circleG (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse
oh dear, ernst what is going on? Its just possible it may be time for a new guy at the top. It has been 20 plus years and the cracks are definately showing...
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 25, 2010report abuse
Hi Benny Scott, yes, you might be correct, I guess Ernst Jorgensen didn’t really know about the mistakes involved in this release. Guess, he has more important issues to take care about. Well, if he doesn’t have any supervisor to take care about the FTD releases, I’m gonna do it for free, just to make sure, that such mistakes don’t happen again. There are fans out there, that could do a better job than Lene Reidel, and they might do it just for the love for Elvis. Anyway, this latest FTD release once again proves, that it’s all sloppy business with BMG. Only Vic Anesini made quite a difference, I guess all the fans are happy about him and the way he makes ’The sound‘. No offense, but this release surely includes some mistakes, so why isn’t there any official comment by now? It's about time for some changes, taking a look at all the remastering mistakes of so many FTD releases and the bad quality of their soundboards releases. Nowadays the bootleggers can do it better than FTD, so why don't you use some different people (except for Vic) and do it right!
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
It gets worse! This release does seem to be beset with mistakes.
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
No Jay, he didn't ! I wonder if he already knew about "Fool" the day he gave this interview . I'm sure he must know by now . Wonder if this disc will be replaced too ????!!! Always El.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
Guesin he didn't mention the fool mistake?
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
Hi Herman, you're right ! It IS May 17 1971. In a recent interview Ernst himself apoligized for ' the typo ", stating that indeed it should have been printed May 17 instead of March 17.Always El.
Herman (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
Doe anybody know what the recording date is of Don't think twice (APA4 1269-02) on this cd ? In the booklet I can read: March 17, 1971 but I guess this should be May 17, 1971. Or am I wrong ? The version on Now (APA4 1269-01) is recorded on May 16, 1971. So, the -02 versions should be recorded after -01 I guess.
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
I agree with you there, Michael. New remixes, obviously in keeping with the original vision and not adding things that make them more modern, are very exciting. The ones that I was meaning are the original alternate mixes done at the same time of the master mix. Mixing a song is very time consuming and dozens of mixes could be done and rejected before the final mix is decided upon. FTD should put right this error as well and look at their quality control of their releases.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 24, 2010report abuse
Im with you 100% Michael Sander, they should fix it. I for one would prefer Fool to be fixed on disc 1 then Padre on 2. Who would we contact about this?
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
Tony C, I understand your point of view. Yes, the outtakes might be much more interesting, than some new remix, but than, on the other hand, it can be quite exciting, to get an absolute new remix (usually done by Vic Anesini, he’s my man) of a song, that you love so much. That’s, what’s promised on the backcover of the FTD ’Fool‘, a new 2:49 alternate remix. But it isn’t there....and therfore needs a repair.... what do you think?
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
You could well be right there, Jay. When the track listing of the FTD edition was first announced I had assumed that the alternate mix of "Fool" would be the one with the strings that was first released on "Elvis Aron Presley" in 1980. It would have made more sense to use this one, perhaps that was intended. Releasing the various mixes of songs is a slippery slope, as it is never ending with umpteen variations. I have always had more interest in alternate takes than mixes, unless they hold surprises by revealing vocals or instrumentation not included in the finished product. The silver box set version of "Fool" is a good example, as is "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" with the horns that were removed before release.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
Hi Tony C, yes you are correct, the LP and single master versions of a song can be different only by such tiny little details, that most listeners wouldn’t even recognize. This release is a good example: ’Fool‘ Track 1 and Track 24, what is the difference? Well, the strings on the single version are faded in more early (about 15 seconds), and stay much more dominant on the left channel, than on the LP version. Who really cares about it? Well, for the detailed listener it’s quite a difference, and it’s really appreciated. But that’s not, what we are talking about. Track 14 on CD 1 has just been copied from the FTD ’Standing room only‘ release and it is not an alternate mix. It’s exactly the same mix as Track 1, it’s an duplication, and it’s a mistake by FTD! Jay, appreciate your comment, let’s not give up ;-)).
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
Hi Tony, Its not the single mix we are debating the difference with, its the alternate mix. I can hear a difference with the single version but not the alternate mix which i;m 100% sure it a duplicate and mistake.
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
The album and single mixes of "Fool" will sound virtually the same, they were not intended to be different in the manner that remixes are done today. The single mix of a song is the album mix with just very minor adjustments in sound balancing to take account of how it would sound on FM radio. Sometimes the stereo image was narrowed slightly, but never to any great deal. I felt that adding the single mix was just a way of padding out a very thin package, proved true by the fact that people cannot hear any difference. Regarding the running time being the same, they would be because it was a single mix not a single edit. Most of Elvis' singles exist in a unique single mix, which those of us that own the original vinyl singles already have in our collections.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
Great Michael Sander, glad I'm not the only one going nuts about this Fool thing! I really hope they do replace both discs because I'd love to hear the REAL alternate Fool Mix as I love the song. I really like the Silver box version, didnt realize it was Joan Deary’s version? Its good. Would like to hear the acetate bootleg version too.
Michael Sander (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 23, 2010report abuse
Hi Jay, so glad, that finally someone mentioned, what was bothering me the last week. I was really enthusiastic about some new ’Fool‘ remixes, but when I listened to it, I couldn’t hear any difference between Track 1 and 14. Track 14 is identically to the version on FTD’s ’Standing room only‘ release, Elvis‘ voice is a little bit more lefthanded, but it’s exactly the same mix and both tracks run exactly the same time: 2:45. I guess, there has been made some mistake here. Joan Deary’s version on the silver box (it’s 2:39) and some acetate bootleg version (3:06) feature the string section right from the beginning. I don’t know, if Mr. Jorgensen was aiming in this direction, to present a full string version, but I’m pretty sure, he planned something new. So I guess, we are missing some outstanding new remix here. I hope there will be an official statement soon, and I think, both CDs should be replaced with the correct versions.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 21, 2010report abuse
Sorry I should have put 2:45 and 2:49.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 21, 2010report abuse
Ok, this has been bugging the hell outta me.....I'm pretty confident now that both Fool (Master) and Fool alternate mix are exactly the same version. In the book it has the master down at 2:35 and the alternate at 2:39. Now upon investigation on the cd both tracks are at 2:35! I had a look at the Silver box set cd which has that version (which does sound like an alternate mix) down at 2:39! I'm far more gutted about this mistake then I am the Padre one. Please correct this cd instead?
Monster (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 21, 2010report abuse
The original album had OK enough songs but not enough stand out material. Plus his voiced is straining too much on tracks like Padre and Love me, love the life I lead. I'm a fan of seventies Elvis so overall I don't have a problem with the original and it's great to hear the outtakes and alt mixes too. However, from a career strategy point of view this should never have been the album to come out after the Aloha special. In my view they should have put out the Aloha album just as they did but follow up the increase in Elvis's profile that came with a worldwide TV special, a Golden Globe winning movie and a recent major worldwide single success (Burning Love) with some more uptempo, rockier songs to keep the momentum going. Though on a personal level Elvis was probably too distracted with his impending divorce to care too much about his career strategy at this stage. Still a hotch potch album made up of two year old cuts was a slap in the face to existing fans and all those new fans who would have come on board had the right product been available for them.
Jay (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 21, 2010report abuse
m not trying to knock the errors on the release at all, mistakes happen. But can someone tell me the difference between Fool (master) and the alternate mix? I really hear no difference? I can on the single mix with the strings entering earlier and more up front. I'm assuming the mix used on the Elvis Aron Presley: the Silver Box was the alternate mix? Which sounds very different to me.
benny scott (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 20, 2010report abuse
So do I ! Always El
Rob Wanders (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 20, 2010report abuse
I fully agree with you Martin ST-Pierre.
You Dont Know Me (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 20, 2010report abuse
I really enjoyed disc 2 and the outakes! a FTD release i am enjoying much more than (i thought) i would!
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 19, 2010report abuse
Isn't the current quickpoll tally interesting? 90% liking this CD and just 10% not. Nine to one.
elvistruth (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 19, 2010report abuse
Absolutely agree with you, friends. FTD and Jorgensen are the capital key for Elvis great unreleased works finally released for all the Elvis fans with outstanding quality. Thanks for all, Ernst!!!!
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 19, 2010report abuse
i say amen to that Martin ST-Pierre well said my friend and i also have great respect for those who work with FTD
Martin ST-Pierre (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 19, 2010report abuse
I do not want to inflame the talk but I find that we are fortunate to have all the records and FTD. I know of no other singer or artist or label was founded for the pleasure of those fans. I am happy for every kind of FTD and hope they will continue for several years. I have great respect for those who work with FTD ... Long live the king and thank you and all colleagues FTD. I am an Elvis fan since 1966. TCB....
Rob Wanders (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
i like this album. i can do without the song Padre, but its not bothering me too much. I love the piano-songs and the highlights for me are any version of "love me,love the life I lead' and a brandnewversion (11 min) of Dont think twice. relaxter, but also a bit less than the wellknown version. Its a pity Elvis and his men didn't try to find all the lyrics of this song, instead of repeating the same verses over and over, there are more verses!!!, but then again it was just jamming to get in the mood of recording i guess.
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
that's your opinion HangLoose i don't care you are making this thing bigger than it is,i keep my mind busy with things which are more important to me my health for instance i'm really not going to make a fuzz about this FTD ''error" discussion anymore.
dgirl (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
I agree with this review excpet for one thing. The piano songs are the best things on this album. In fact, if Elvis or the Col had any sense about a good career move, there should have been a whole abum called Elvis At The Piano with Elvis doing songs in the studio he loved best. Just him at the piano with maybe a bass and some brush work on the drums. Can u imagine the critical raves this would have achieved as a concept album? I can see him doing Lawdy, Blueberry Hill and other gems he loved to sing. But there was never any kind of imagination as to what to do in the recording studio other than sing a handful of songs that his publsihers submitted resulting in shoddy albums like this, I will not be purchasing this or any other future classic albums at 35.00. I have the originals. Dont need outtakes I will listen to only once or twice at the most.
tornado (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
I agree totally with you. FTD had to do Fool but it's the album I listen the least. Besides He Touched Me 1971 was erratic for the studio work, Too bad Elvis never really involved himself in making a true folk album as supposidly planned. As for The Wonderful Of Christmas. readings tells us Elvis wasn't eager to do it at first A pure command performance for RCA's demand, but it finally came out nice with some great moments. RCA's marketing was awful also back then.Now let's go for He Touched Me, Promised Land and my beloved G.I.Blues, a personnel favorite, as well as for Tomorrow Is A Long Time ( Nashville 1966-68) another gem in my book.
HangLoose (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
Garon: They never replaced the faulty CD's,except in 2 or 3 occasions. In all the other 20+ occasions they didn't do it. So they are swindlers and criminals in my book. Not only Ernst but mainly his bosses. They regularly offer faulty CD's and in 90% they didn't offer replacement copies. That's what swindlers and thieves do. As for the Fool album,where is the full length unedited title track? Instead of giving us the same track twice,give us something more worthwhile you amateurs!
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
well Erika i'm sorry and i know you don't mean it all that bad but what you are saying makes no sense at all you suggesting things that likely not even are going on how do you know that Ernst kisses up to fanclub owners to get soundboard releases? and them put it out on FTD? i know almost for sure that is not how it goes FTD is not a bad label ok sometimes they make a few mistakes but it certainly is not the end of the world just look at the reactions of Martin ST-Pierre and Viva they know what they are talking about FTD has released many FTD classics including " Good Times" How Great Thou Art" and the list goes on and no mistakes on those ones either even better said i think that FTD has put even more soul into their releases more booklets and even vinyl releases which are dream to own and i own them and i'm proud of it to own them ok they made a mistake on Fool which is known by them and they will act accordingly everyone get's a replacement if they were a bad label they would not have done that.
Erika Freiburger (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
Ernst should have been replaced years ago. He got no eyes for talent, marketing or the younger fans. Just like with most companies, executives should be replaced every couple of years just to keep that feeling with their buyers. Ernst is just not a people's person. He only talks to one one or two fanclub owners handing out illegal soundboard to folks that kiss up to him. Nowadays companies should transparent above everything else, something FTD never really accomplished. He doesn't understand that we, all the Elvis fans are the real FTD label. Love,Erika
Martin ST-Pierre (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 18, 2010report abuse
I want to know the age of those who wrote reviews of this cd? I am aged 50 years, when I was 13 or 14 when I bought this album, I was happy to buy it because it was new material never listen. I always listen repeatedly new albums of Elvis recording because they were new they were new. For me it was a Privileged to listen to new songs and I always look forward to unpacking the new album. I love this album especially the piano is a vision of Elvis very personal, profound and sincere and very emotional. I think the cd no. 2 Even more interesting, I like the studio shot, we saw the work of Elvis. I wish we did more discusion between drawing paper to better understand the evolution of each song. When I listen to the studio and making the dialogue between the song I imagine myself in the studio with Elvis and his musicians, it's a feeling indescritible.
I love this cd and hope that their excellent work long FTD
Viva (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
I'm with you on that one Steve V, kind of lost their way a little with the concept of FTD, but it's still a good product in my opinion. Who did Ernst murder to warrant the amount of criticism posted here? I always though he'd done shed loads to give us some great Elvis product. Mind you, don't really see what the level of hoo-ha is about anyway. Fool was never regarded as a great album, and that was reflected in the sales, but when I listen to the tracks, there's actually no reason for this album to be slated in the way it is. For the life of me, I can't see what's wrong with Padre, Where do I go from here (slated by many a critic), it's still here - these are all tracks which have me singing my head off in the car, and to be honest Elvis must have seen something he liked in them because I think he gives very passionate performances throughout this album. When looking at the above track listing, it is a very odd selection though, I think those who say it should be a sinlge disc are right given what's included in the two disc offering. Even so, how anyone would want another bloody soundboard recording over this baffles me: why pay good money to hear him snooze his way through the same old set list. That's why they're called soundboard recordings, because Elvis really does "Sound Bored". I do hope no one's done that gag before, quite proud of that one.
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
i'm with you herman, Steamroller Blues is a Knock Out Too!!
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
you don't have to feel sorry for me old pal SnOwMan first of all i'm not that old only thing i'm doing is not whine about it of some mistake on a FTD, i don't even loose one night sleep about it that's for sure only thing you want is me to do is agree with you mr.faulty well that's not how it works at least i can enjoy a cd or wether there is a " mistake" on a FTD or not and if you can't ? that's totally you own problem not mine. and you bet i will enjoy my FTD's nothing you say will change that.
Steve V (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
I would never buy this because I never liked the 1973 original album. To me , it was the worst album of his career (non-soundtrack of course) That being said, can someone explain why the course of action was to take Elvis' original albums out of print and reissue them in the FTD classic album series for ridiculous prices when they could have stayed on the normal label for sane prices? This was being done already in the 90's with extra tracks and the FTD label was left to cover the outtakes & unreleased live shows which was it original intent. Why was this policy changed? Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?
Herman (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
I like the album. Don't Think Twice It's All Right is really great !
schemies (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
Hi Folks, I am not through listening yet, so can anybody tell me what EXACTLY is the mistake on disc 2, please.
And the "Fool" versions are different, but not much. I wonder if the version which once was on "Elvis Aron Presley" was not included, because this still sound different to me, even compared to the so called "Original Alternate Mix". I guess the only difference is the time the strings come in. Well, still waiting for much better classic albums like "Promised Land", "He Touched Me", or even "Wonderful World of Christmas". It seems "Jailhouse Rock Vol.2" is near now. And will we ever get "Flaming Star" with all the outtakes available ? What about classic album "G.I. Blues" ? Did somebody from Sony notice that now it is time for the release of (at least) one other concert recorded for "Elvis On Tour" ? This "Fool" album could have waited another 2 years, I guess.
Erika Freiburger (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
Sadly these are not only minor mistakes. Remember what happened on Unchained Melody FTD. That's the most terrible mistake ony any CD i've ever heard!
Tony C (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
As Lex said, it had to be done as it was an original full price album release. I think that FTD did the best they could with the available material, it was obviously difficult to stretch it out to two discs. People are saying that there is too much filler material, but if they had made this one a single disc release people would be calling it a rip-off. Now we have this one out of the way we can look forward to some real classic albums, hopefully sometime next year.
SnOwMan (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
Minor mistakes? Then enjoy your faulty FTD's,poor old Jesse Garon!
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
SnOwMan you making mountain out of a molehill, the diffrence between them are noted on the backside of the release and i can hear the diffrence of the 3 outings of ""fool" on this release they don't sound 99,9 the same i'm not going to make a fuzz about this come on please cause i listened with my headphones and then you can hear the difference and and therefore essential for me on this release and there are a few minor mistakes on other FTD's not even worth mentioning, doesn't bother me one bit.
SnOwMan (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
And can you tell me Jesse Garon what's the difference between the so called different mixes of "Fool"? Because to my ears they sound 99.9% the same! As for the replacement copy,now they offer it,but did they offer it in case of "Unchained Melody", "New Years Eve", "Big Boss Man", "A Minnesota Moment" and all the other faulty discs? Of course NO! And finally: if you want a replacement disc then you have to send back the faulty one with registered mail and it will cost you a couple of dollars i'm afraid. We have already paid $35,then after paying + $8,for $43 we will have a slightly better "Fool FTD",of course the wrongly dated "DTTIAR" will remain in the booklet,because the booklet is faulty,too. The only things need to be replaced are Lene Reidel and Ernst Jorgensen! All the errors and problems come from them!
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
And 3 times the same take of ''Fool"?if you read better on the backside cover one is the Original master, the other one is the Single master and the other one is a diffrent alternate mix, so only one track is double on disc 2 thank you
Jesse Garon Presley (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
a new replacement for disc 2 is coming so hold your horses jeeeezz, not every FTD is faulty, and there's only one track double on disc 2 not more just read it on ElvisMatters
FLY-TROUBLE! (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
This is C-R-A-P. Ernst,it's about time to find another job,because almost every FTD you release is faulty. You are too old and too lazy. Maybe time for retirement?
Zoltan84 (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
Shame on you Ernst Jorgensen for the inclusion of the same take of Padre 2 times and the same take of Fool 3 times! Clumsy job for top dollar.
ernst blofeld (profilecontact) wrote on Oct 17, 2010report abuse
another shameful release from FTD...the disc of outtakes (yes, even the outtakes of Padre) is the only worthwhile material here...the rest we already have (not just from bootlegs but from FTD!)...how dare FTD insist that we keep paying twice as much as we should (i.e. paying for a 2-disc set) for what is in fact only one disc of worthwhile material. when so many many classic live shows remain in their vaults, it is unconscionable that FTD would release the Boston garden show...FTD is really fleecing us fans...

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